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Tagging & Searching

Thu, 09 Jul 2009, 5:47 PM

Nigel

Posts: 1645

Roadmap item: http://wiki.mahara.org/Roadmap/Tagging_&_Searching

Status: Under development

Ifthere's anything that strikes you as important on the Tagging & Searching page,feel free to mention that here - it will help us prioritise work.

If you're able to contribute funding, expertise, ideas/concept sketches etc. - let us know!

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Re: Tagging & Searching
Tue, 25 Aug 2009, 10:25 PM

Nigel

Posts: 1645

The University of Luxembourg have expressed interest in making improvements so that users can use their own tags. Currently within Mahara, users can enter tags, but cannot search on them. Also, the self-search capability is rather ancient and does not work well. They are proposing roughly the following:

  • Swap the "Search My Portfolio" box for a tag cloud
  • Add a page that shows a tag cloud and results (of any kind - artefact or view) that match the selected tag(s?). If possible, this page could show the results with title, description, link etc.
  • Every where that an artefact is displayed (e.g. when looking at a blog), show its list of tags. The tags should be linked if the user is looking at their own content.
 
Does anyone have any feedback about this? Any suggestions for small things that might improve this plan further, without completely changing the scope of the work? Smile 

 

Re: Tagging & Searching
Tue, 25 Aug 2009, 11:47 PM

Craig Eves

Posts: 87

Hi Nigel

Something you may want to consider is to have some sort of limit for the type of resources being displayed in the search results.

A user may want to limit the results to display only blog post, views, files, images, own content , etc that match the selected tags rather than everything. Undecided

 

Re: Tagging & Searching
Tue, 25 Aug 2009, 11:49 PM

Mitsuhiro Yoshida

Posts: 49

Hi Nigel,

I'm happy if we can enable and disable "Tag cloud" block on "Configure site > Site options" page.

And a setting for the number of tags showing on  "Tag cloud" block, if we can have. Smile

 Mits

 

Re: Tagging & Searching
Wed, 26 Aug 2009, 1:23 AM

Alex Büchner

Posts: 4

I like the idea, but I would not abandon the good old search text box. Tag clouds are still an alien concept to a lot of customers we come across. I would prefer for the 2 to co-exit.

 

Alex - Synergy Learning

Re: Tagging & Searching
Wed, 26 Aug 2009, 3:40 PM

Kristina Hoeppner

Posts: 189

Hello,

Great suggestions!

@Alex: We (the funding party Smile) don't want to get rid of the search box completely. A tag cloud and a search would be great. However, as far as I understood it, creating the search is more difficult than developing the tag cloud. That's why the tag cloud came up. Better to have something to search the portfolio with than nothing at all. Currently, I am struggling to explain the search box that doesn't do anything (at least on our installation).

If somebody else wants to fund the search box development, that would be fantastic. We already have a few feature requests pending (I need to update that to include the tag cloud and developments on the improvement on the feedback) that we are discussing in more deteail with Nigel and Richard at the moment. 

Kristina

Re: Tagging & Searching
Wed, 26 Aug 2009, 2:25 AM

Allison Miller

Posts: 3

I would very much welcome the enabling of searching / aggregating by tags and tag cloud in Mahara.

These features will have far reaching benefits for education and training and would enable people to pull together information related around a particular topic (ie unit, module, subject), making tracking what you've done so much easier.

Tags are a great way of 'finding' and 'managing' information, and the Tag Cloud helps 'paint a picture' about a person.

I've been encouraging people to use the tag facility in Mahara, in hope that when it does work, they will have a powerful tool to search and share their information.

I'm wondering if it would also be possible to have an RSS function out of Mahara on these tags and/or an RSS function on tags into a 'view' to improve the way people share information (as a push technology).

Many thanks, Allison

Re: Tagging & Searching
Wed, 26 Aug 2009, 9:39 PM

Richard Mansfield

Posts: 400

Another problem is that we currently have tag input boxes on group views and files, but there is no way to search on group-owned things yet.  The "Search My Portfolio" box only looks in the user's personal portfolio.

I imagine it will take us some time to implement searching across group portfolios, so I think we should remove the tag input fields on group views/files until such time as the search works.

Re: Tagging & Searching
Fri, 28 Aug 2009, 5:42 AM

Kristina Hoeppner

Posts: 189

Hello,

Please find a summary of this discussion plus a few mockups for the tag search here. I have submitted that document for Nigel's and Richard's further perusal and as basis for the development of the feature.

If you want to make any additions, please post them here in the forum.

Have a nice weekend

Kristina

Re: Tagging & Searching
Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 5:41 PM

Craig Eves

Posts: 87

Cool  Looks good with the filters - more filters could be added at some stage such as by person, blog.

Something that may be nice to have is to select the order the search results are displayed in. The following orders may be useful

  • by date as the most  recent resources may be preferred to be found
  • alphabetically - so easy scanning of resources can be done.
  • by rating - probably out of scope at this stage but  maybe for the future.
Re: Tagging & Searching
Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 8:14 PM

Nigel

Posts: 1645

I had one thought - "sort by community usage" is possibly a dodgy tab, as in theory, tags are private like artefacts. It might not be the best if people can see that someone has tagged something 'ihatemyschool' perhaps? Smile
Re: Tagging & Searching
Sun, 30 Aug 2009, 11:29 PM

Richard Mansfield

Posts: 400

Hi Kristina,

What does the "Edit Tags" page do? Is that a page where you can change the names of your tags?

Richard.

Re: Tagging & Searching
Mon, 31 Aug 2009, 2:03 AM

Kristina Hoeppner

Posts: 189

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback and further questions, Craig, Nigel, and Richard.

@Craig: The filter option to sort tags alphabetically is already hinted at in one of the mockups. Chronological sorting should not be too difficult to achieve and should be included. I don't know why I left it out because that is the primary display in Delicious.

@Nigel: "community tags" tab was not supposed to be there for Mahara. It was just a screenshot from Diigo and I did not rename it. However ;-) , I think we would need something like that when / if the tag search is expanded to groups. I may not yet have tagged something "ed_tech" in a group view, but if I see that somebody else tagged a resource with "ed_tech", I may be interested to take a look at that entry. 

Even in the case of searching for tags group or sitewide, I agree that you should not see everybody's tags as they are private. Diigo and Delicious are different because there you usually tag publicly. If the tag search is extended to include groups etc., would it then be possible to show all the tags of the artefacts to which a user has access (but maybe we should discuss that at a later point to not get confused with the individual tag search)?

@Richard: Correct. On the "Edit tag" page you can rename or delete your own tags easily.

Re: Tagging & Searching
Mon, 31 Aug 2009, 6:42 AM

Nigel

Posts: 1645

Hm. I am not yet 100% convinced that the tab would be needed even in a Group. When you're in a group, I would expect to see the tags for all the group artefacts - nothing more or less - but who knows? I am not much of a tag user myself Wink (probably from years of using software that doesn't do tags properly!!)

Yes, let's keep the issue of seeing "tags you can access" separate - it's a tricky challenge, certainly surmountable, but if we can keep to a smaller amount of work now to get much benefit, I say let's do that! 

Re: Tagging & Searching
Mon, 31 Aug 2009, 1:59 PM

Kristina Hoeppner

Posts: 189

Hi Nigel,

"Yes, let's keep the issue of seeing "tags you can access" separate - it's a tricky challenge, certainly surmountable"

Yep. As you will be developing the tag search for individuals and their own content first and we said we would leave the group tags for later, let's see how such group tags work once we have concquered the first mountain. :-)

Kristina

Re: Tagging & Searching
Wed, 02 Sep 2009, 6:36 PM

Richard Mansfield

Posts: 400

Hi Kristina,

I noticed in your document that you say the tag clouds should be enabled/disabled by institutions rather than by the whole site.  We would prefer to keep the feature enabled/disabled at the site level, and I'm just wondering why you thought it should be done at the institution level, because it will lead to complications for users who belong to multiple institutions.

If we were to implement tag clouds on the institution level, then to decide whether a user should have their tag cloud displayed I guess we would search through all their institutions, and if the user belongs to any institution that has the tag cloud enabled, then they will see it.

Institutions could never be sure of turning tag clouds off for their users, but they could ensure that they were on I guess.  But if there is a good reason to enable the tag cloud for some users on the site, it doesn't do any harm to enable it for everyone, does it?

Re: Tagging & Searching
Thu, 03 Sep 2009, 1:38 PM

Kristina Hoeppner

Posts: 189

Hello Richard,

The only compelling reason to turn on / off the tag cloud on the institution level was to give the institutions more freedom in deciding whether they want to show the tag search or not.

I have no idea how many people use the institution feature (we don't) and thus, if we would need to go into the trouble of finding a solution or whether it is enough to leave it at installation level. As a more elaborate search (not just for tags) will come one day, I guess, we could turn on / off the tag search on the installation level.

Kristina

Re: Tagging & Searching
Thu, 03 Sep 2009, 4:21 PM

Richard Wyles

Posts: 63

Hi Kristina,
The institutions feature was designed for regional portfolio services - e.g. www.myportfolio.ac.nz
If it's not used much for individual institutional installations then having this feature as a site-wide setting shouldn't be a problem. It's great to see all these features potentially coming in - thank-you.

cheers
Richard

 

Re: Tagging & Searching
Thu, 17 Sep 2009, 4:36 PM

Richard Mansfield

Posts: 400

A preliminary version of this feature is now available at http://dev.mahara.org.  Feel free to register there and try it out if you are interested.

You can tag Views, blogs & posts, files, folders and images, and you can choose how many tags to display in your cloud under Settings > Preferences.

There is still some more theming work to be done but the features described in Kristina's pdf are available.  Bug reports and opinions welcome!

Re: Tagging & Searching
Fri, 18 Sep 2009, 1:06 PM

Kristina Hoeppner

Posts: 189

My first comments are at http://mahara.org/interaction/forum/topic.php?id=935 and Richard answers there as the discussion in that thread had shifted to the tags over there.